With Manny gone, Ortiz having issues at the plate

Updated: July 29, 2008

AP Photo/Ed Zurga

Jason Bay is just one Red Sox hitter now charged with protecting David Ortiz in the Boston lineup.

MISSING MANNY

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In 1987, Pedro Guerrero hit .338 with 27 homers and 89 RBIs for the Los Angeles Dodgers -- good numbers for 21 years ago. But after playing only 59 games in 1988, Guerrero was traded in August to the St. Louis Cardinals. Though the Dodgers traded their best offensive player -- just like what the Red Sox did with Manny Ramirez at this year's trade deadline -- it was addition by subtraction because Guerrero had become a huge problem in the clubhouse. The Dodgers went on to win the World Series in 1988.

I'm not saying the Red Sox will repeat as World Series champions, but Ramirez had to go.

Twenty years from now, Ramirez and David Ortiz will be compared with the greatest back-to-back hitters in baseball history. Ortiz benefited from having Ramirez behind him in the lineup. However, he also changed as a hitter when he came to Boston in 2003 and stopped swinging at the fastball off the inside half of the plate. And with Ramirez hitting behind him, he saw a lot more strikes. Ortiz isn't close to 100 percent right now, but once he's healthy, teams aren't going to let Ortiz beat them. He's 2-for-20 with two RBIs in the five games since Ramirez was dealt. In the first six games after he came off the disabled list, which were also the last games before Manny was traded, Oritz hit .423 with four RBIs. It's going to be up to players hitting behind Ortiz (Mike Lowell, Kevin Youkilis, Jason Bay) to produce, otherwise the pitch selection is going to be much different for Ortiz and he's not going to get as many pitches to hit without Manny hitting behind him.

As for Bay, he'll make a difference in this lineup. I saw Bay when he was with the Padres, and their hitting coach at the time, Wally Joyner, talked about how the ball would come off Bay's bat and how he had great bat speed. This is the first time he's playing on a winning team and in a hitter's ballpark. That's only going to make him better.

For me, the real test for the Red Sox will be their four-game series this weekend in Chicago against the White Sox. It's the first good team the new-look Red Sox will play. I applaud the Red Sox front office for trading Ramirez, but Ortiz -- if and when he gets healthy -- will not see nearly as many hittable pitches until the hitters behind him in the lineup show they can consistently produce.

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Pedro Martinez Padres at Mets, 7:10 p.m. ET: Pedro Martinez (3-2, 6.16 ERA) has strung together three strong, if a bit short, outings in a row. He has not given up more than three runs in any of the game, but also not gone longer than 5 1/3 innings. Cha Seung Baek (3-6, 5.22 ERA) has struggled away from home. Opponents are hitting .310 against him when he pitches on the road, compared to .233 at Petco Park.

Sidney Ponson Yankees at Rangers, 8 p.m. ET, ESPN: With Joba Chamberlain headed to Dr. James Andrews for evaluation, Sidney Ponson's role in the Yankees' push for the postseason becomes larger. Ponson (6-2, 4.23 ERA) is 2-1 with a 4.81 ERA with the Yankees. Tommy Hunter (0-0, 10.80 ERA) will be making his second career start. He was tagged for six runs in five innings last time out against Toronto.

Derek Lowe Dodgers at Cardinals, 8:15 p.m. ET: Derek Lowe (8-9, 3.70 ERA) has given up one total run over his past two starts, a stretch of 14 1/3 innings. Joel Pineiro (3-5, 5.04 ERA) has given up five home runs over his past three starts.

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NAME HR OPPPITCHER SITUATION
T. Wigginton, Hou11ChCHardenTop 5: 2-1, 0 Outs. None on.
G. Blum, Hou10ChCHardenTop 6: 0-0, 1 Outs. 1 on.
C. Lee, Hou26ChCHowryTop 7: 0-0, 2 Outs. 1 on.
A. Soriano, ChC20HouBrocailBot 7: 1-2, 2 Outs. 2 on.
J. Peralta, Cle18TBJacksonTop 3: 0-0, 1 Outs. 1 on.
K. Kouzmanoff, SD16NYMPelfreyTop 4: 1-1, 2 Outs. None on.
F. Tatis, NYM8SDYoungBot 4: 1-0, 2 Outs. None on.
P. Polanco, Det5CWSFloydTop 1: 3-1, 0 Outs. 1 on.
J. Hamilton, Tex27NYYPettitteBot 1: 3-2, 2 Outs. 1 on.
A. Gonzalez, SD27NYMPelfreyTop 6: 1-0, 1 Outs. None on.
F. Tatis, NYM9SDAdamsBot 6: 2-2, 1 Outs. 2 on.
P. Fielder, Mil26CinMassetTop 7: 3-1, 2 Outs. 1 on.
C. Granderson, Det13CWSFloydTop 5: 1-2, 0 Outs. 1 on.
S. Victorino, Phi11FlaPintoBot 7: 2-2, 2 Outs. 1 on.
J. Gerut, SD8NYMHeilmanTop 9: 1-1, 1 Outs. 2 on.
C. Young, Ari15PitDukeBot 3: 1-2, 2 Outs. 1 on.
E. Longoria, TB22CleBetancourtBot 7: 2-2, 1 Outs. 1 on.
C. Floyd, TB8CleBetancourtBot 7: 2-1, 2 Outs. None on.
D. Navarro, TB5CleRinconBot 7: 2-1, 2 Outs. None on.
P. Konerko, CWS11DetRobertsonBot 6: 1-1, 0 Outs. 1 on.
C. Quentin, CWS29DetLopezBot 7: 0-2, 2 Outs. None on.
I. Stewart, Col5WasLannanBot 7: 1-0, 2 Outs. 1 on.
R. Ibanez, Sea17MinBakerBot 3: 0-0, 0 Outs. 2 on.
R. Sexson, NYY12TexWilsonTop 8: 0-1, 1 Outs. Gr. Slam.
A. Pujols, StL22LADParkBot 7: 1-0, 0 Outs. 1 on.
A. Ramirez, CWS10DetFarnsworthBot 8: 1-1, 2 Outs. None on.
A. Jones, LAD3StLVilloneTop 9: 1-0, 0 Outs. None on.
J. Kubel, Min15SeaDickeyTop 6: 3-2, 0 Outs. None on.
L. Scott, Bal19LAAGarlandTop 7: 3-1, 2 Outs. None on.
F. Lewis, SF8AtlHamptonBot 7: 2-2, 0 Outs. None on.
R. Ludwick, StL28LADJohnsonBot 11: 2-1, 1 Outs. 1 on.
J. Kubel, Min16SeaJimenezTop 8: 2-0, 1 Outs. 1 on.
P. Polanco, Det6CWSThorntonTop 14: 0-0, 1 Outs. 1 on.
N. Swisher, CWS16DetZumayaBot 14: 2-1, 2 Outs. 2 on.

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ANOTHER WEBB GEM

The way Brandon Webb has been pitching recently, a win against the Pirates was considered almost certain, especially given his previous success against them.

Webb got 21 ground ball outs in his complete-game victory Tuesday, helping the Diamondbacks push their lead in the National League West to 2 1/2 games over the Dodgers. He's 4-0 with a 2.63 ERA in his past seven starts, a significant improvement after a midseason hiccup. The same could be said about his team.

Best winning pct. vs. Pirates
(active pitchers, min. 5 wins)
Pitcher Winning pct. Record
Brandon Webb 1.000 5-0
Derek Lowe 1.000 5-0
Chris Carpenter .900 9-1
Andy Pettitte .875 7-1
Mark Prior .875 7-1

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TUESDAY'S NOTEWORTHY PERFORMANCES

GOOD
Nick SwisherNick Swisher put an end to a wild game between the White Sox and Tigers. Swisher drilled a game-ending three-run homer in the bottom of the 14th inning to lift the White Sox to a 10-8 win.
BAD
Huston StreetHuston Street couldn't hold down the lead in the ninth. The A's closer gave up three hits and two runs to the Blue Jays in the bottom of the ninth in Oakland's 4-3 loss.
UGLY
• The Philadelphia bullpen gave up six runs in three innings of work, turning a close game with the Marlins into an easy 8-2 win for Florida, which pulled within 1 1/2 games of the lead in the NL East.

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THIS DATE IN MLB HISTORY (AUG. 6)

1988: Cubs reliever Goose Gossage becomes the second player in major league history to record 300 career saves as he retires one batter in a 7-4 victory over the Phillies.

1999: After the Padres' Tony Gwynn singled off Expos rookie right-hander Dan Smith in the first inning to get his 3,000th career hit, first base umpire Kerwin Danley, Gwynn's college teammate, Gwynn's mother, Vendella and 13,540 fans at Olympic Stadium help celebrate the milestone.