Updated: Dec. 15, 2005, 5:44 PM ET

A run-of-the-Hill return

By Matt Wong

NEW YORK -- The game was supposed to be about Grant Hill's glorious comeback. Or the New York Knicks' new and improved rotation. Or both.

Try neither.

Because in the end, Hill was, well, a player who looked like he was playing his first game of the season after returning from a sports hernia injury. And the Knicks were, well, the Knicks, a team still hurting for an identity.

Hey, nothing really goes as planned for bad teams, right?

Good thing for the Orlando Magic they have a man-child by the name of Dwight Howard, who posted another double-double (23 points, 13 rebounds) in a 105-90 win, and threw down a couple of resounding dunks that were even more thunderous thanks to an amped up mike on the rim.

For Hill, he managed to score seven points in 22 minutes. "I expected to be a little rusty, but it was good to get out there with the guys," he said.

And the feeling was mutual. Even by the Garden crowd, who cheered him during introductions. The same crowd that booed the Knicks in the third and fourth quarters, by the way.

But on this night, Hill's presence actually made the biggest difference when he wasn't on the floor.

With Hill back in the starting lineup, Hedo Turkoglu was allowed to return to his role off the bench, a role in which he looked mighty comfortable, scoring 18 points in 30 minutes, connecting on 4-of-5 3s.

The fact that there was never a defender's hand in his face certainly helped matters. The Knicks' defense was so poor even Will Smith was telling the Knicks to "switch" over the sound system.

As Larry Brown lamented after the game, "We didn't handle screening situations well. Our guys were late on rotations."

The rotation that mattered most heading into the game didn't pan out so well either.

On Tuesday, Brown stated that he was ready to settle on a lineup of about nine to 10 players, a lineup that would feature younger blood and tandems that would enhance chemistry.

But when rookie Channing Frye picked up two early fouls in the first five minutes of the game, that plan went out the window, and Brown was forced to play 11 guys, including vets Antonio Davis and Malik Rose.

And so, the Knicks are still in need of an identity, unlike Grant Hill, who is allowed some time to find his former self.

For now, call them Team Turnover, for their continued carelessness with the ball and ongoing roster changes. Or just call them a bad team.

Because we know how the story goes for bad teams. Well, not really.

Matt Wong is an NBA editor at ESPN.com.

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Driving By Dirk
Suns forward Shawn Marion, showing the kind of hops that he "schooled some civilians" with in a current commercial, scored 23 points and pulled in 19 rebounds. However, Mavs forward Dirk Nowitzki (29 points, 13 rebounds) helped win this round, 102-96.

Two Contenders Get Defensive

The Dallas Mavericks' 102-96 defeat of the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday night was a matchup of two offensive machines whose identities are evolving. Dallas and Phoenix are developing their defense this season, each in a different way.

For Phoenix, the newcomers are making the biggest difference. Raja Bell has proven to be a solid upgrade defensively. Boris Diaw can defend any position (though he needs to avoid foul trouble). And Kurt Thomas is just plain tough.

These three, along with the shot blocking of Shawn Marion, have helped the Suns begin to change their defensive disposition. By the time Amare Stoudemire returns they will be well on their way to having a solid defensive mindset.

Dallas is just getting Josh Howard back and has picked up Adrian Griffin. Both of these guys defend. DeSagana Diop has been a big early surprise as a shot-blocker off the bench.

Most importantly, you can see by the way Dirk Nowitzki plays and how he talks in the media about toughness that he is on the same page with Dallas coach Avery Johnson's mindset.

Why the change for the Suns and Mavs? They realize no team is a legitimate Western Conference contender until it can defend at or near the level of the Spurs.

-- Jim O'Brien

NBA Intelligence Report

Saunders Agrees With Ben's Complaints
"Pistons coach Flip Saunders has spoken with Ben Wallace. He has heard his complaints. And, guess what? He agrees with him. 'He's not saying he doesn't know what his role is,' Saunders said. 'Everybody in this league knows what Ben's role is. He was frustrated with the way we played (at Utah Monday). We did not play (our game). We were unorganized. And any time you are 15-3 and one of your leaders is upset, that's a good sign. It means he's got more on his mind than just going through the season.' ... When asked if his meeting with Saunders helped, Wallace said, 'We'll see.'" -- Detroit News

Flawed Roster Needs Changes
"The Nets appear to be on the verge of splintering apart. Once again, Marc Jackson and Jeff McInnis are frustrated with their lack of playing time as Lawrence Frank benched both for the game. Kidd, Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter look like they are far from being on the same wavelength. And the Nets' flawed roster can now change overnight if management can strike a deal. Players like Jackson and McInnis who were acquired in the offseason are eligible to be traded starting today." -- New York Daily News

Watson Promises 'No Artest Moments'
"Earl Watson is now eligible to be traded, the Nuggets guard promises: 'No Ron Artest moments.' Unlike the Indiana forward who recently shocked his team by asking for a trade, Watson has done no such thing. And despite a million and one rumors about where he might be headed, he does not know if Denver will trade him now, later or at all. 'I've heard just about every team,' he said." -- Denver Post

All-Star Snub Does Paul A Disservice
There are 60 players on the ballot from the Western Conference, and the Rook (Chris Paul) is not among them. There hasn't been an oversight this big since Portland drafted Sam Bowie over some guy named Michael Jordan. 'I've thought about that,' Paul admitted of the omission. 'You're a competitor in everything you do, and the All-Star Game is definitely a goal.'" -- The Oklahoman

Lakers Fall On Sales List
"After a three-year reign as the NBA's top team in merchandise sales, the Lakers have fallen to third behind Miami and New York, according to figures released by the league. The Heat surged to the top behind the popularity of Dwyane Wade, who leads all players in individual jersey sales. Wade was followed by Allen Iverson, LeBron James, Stephon Marbury, Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal. The latest figures on Bryant's jersey represented no movement either way: He was the fifth-highest seller at the end of last season." -- Los Angeles Times

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Familiar Tiptoe Jumper
In his latest return from injury, Magic forward Grant Hill scored seven points. (It's not true that the Knicks' Trevor Ariza took the call to play D with his feet literally.)

Extreme Behavior

Wednesday's Best
Chauncey Billups, Pistons guard: When a man almost drops two dollars worth of dimes on a foe, The Daily Dime's got to recognize excellence. Billups had 19 assists and canned 6-8 treys en route to 28 points. Detroit (16-3) sacked Sacramento, 109-98.


Wednesday's Worst
Nenad Krstic, Nets center: Facing the ice-cold Bobcats, NK went 3-15 from the field. Cats snapped eight-game losing streak, 91-83. Krstic's seven-point, six-board effort in 33 minutes helped make it possible.


Quote of the Night
"I don't know what that was -- he looked like Blankman."
-- Chauncey Billups, referring to Damon Wayans' dorky superhero character whom a begoggled Ben Wallace resembled.

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-- Andrew Ayres

Scouting A Frye Guy

He's not physically intimidating. He probably could get carded going to a PG-13 movie.

But know this: Channing Frye's got game, in particular a great shot. Watching the Knicks' brightest spot this season in a 105-90 loss to the Magic on Wednesday night, Frye didn't shine too brightly (10 points, nine rebounds), but the East's Rookie of the Month for November demonstrated again his nice touch from 20 feet and in.

However, even at 6-foot-11, the post is not his home office. And it probably should never be.

Two games show how the Knicks' top pick does his best work when not loitering near the paint. In the Dec. 9 game against the Suns, he played more in the post and missed 15 of his 19 shots. But when he scored a career-high 30 points against the Bucks in his last game, he was in his element, roving as a perimeter threat, and coming off the screen and roll.

The Knicks have a good player to work with. Assistant coach Herb Williams likes his footwork. Teammate Antonio Davis likes how he does his homework, comes early and stays late.

Sometimes, with his long, lean build, Knicks fans may rub their eyes and think it's Marcus Camby still out there. I think Frye's a better shooter. If Eddy Curry can ever be the threat in the post that requires "double-big" coverage, then Frye's game will benefit even more.

While I think Andrew Bogut would have been hard to pass up, Knicks GM Isiah Thomas says he would have taken Frye with the first overall pick. Maybe he knew something we didn't.

-- Will Perdue in New York

Elias Says

Grant Hill made his 2005-2006 debut for the Magic at Madison Square Garden after sitting out the first 19 games of the season. Hill missed only 25 games over his first six NBA seasons, all with Detroit (from 1994-1995 to 1999-2000). Over that span, the Pistons had a winning record when Hill played (227-208, .522) but were under .500 in the games he sat out (.360, 9-16).

But in six seasons with Orlando (2000-2001 to 2005-2006), Hill has played only 27 percent of the team's games (115 of 430), and the Magic has a losing record both with (55-60, .478) and without him (140-175, .444).

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Perils Of A Walker-Artest Deal

I don't hate the notion of trading Ron Artest for Antoine Walker. As the second option behind Jermaine O'Neal, Walker would be comfortable and productive. Problem is, Miami -- where I think Pat Riley, Shaq, 'Zo and Co. could control Artest -- would be an absolute beast. The Pacers wouldn't have a chance against them.

See Chris Broussard's blog Insider

Chicago Could Be Peja's Payday

The Chicago Bulls are widely seen as Peja Stojakovic's most likely next destination, but any team that acquired Peja during this season would also get his "Larry Bird rights" -- which means that team would have the opportunity to re-sign the 28-year-old, even if it meant going over the usual salary-cap limits.

If Chicago fears that another team will acquire Stojakovic and effectively take him off next summer's market, the best time might be now to put together a package (Luol Deng, Tim Thomas and draft picks) that would be more appealing to the Kings than a straight-up swap for Artest.

See Chris Sheridan's full story Insider


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