Originally Published: September 6, 2006

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From nagging questions to soapbox moments to Heisman hype, here's a look at the hottest topics in college football.

1. FSU-Miami I: Are the offenses that bad? Or are the defenses that good?
It is the chicken versus laid-an-egg question of the week. The worst in a ream of bad statistics in the Seminoles' 13-10 victory: Miami had two rushing yards to Florida State's one.
Bobby Bowden
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Bobby Bowden and Larry Coker weren't laughing about combining for three rushing yards on Monday.
Seminoles coach Bobby Bowden pretended to object to that stat.

"We would have won that battle if we hadn't taken that knee on that last play," Bowden said Tuesday afternoon. "We would have doubled them."

Bowden's math is correct. If Drew Weatherford hadn't taken a knee for a loss of three yards, Florida State would have gained four rushing yards to Miami's two.

More to the point, beyond even the meager yards -- Florida State's 176 yards to Miami's 134 -- is that the Hurricanes made more mistakes than did the Seminoles. In six second-half possessions, Miami gained only 12 yards, and coach Larry Coker explained why in his press conference Tuesday.

"The calls and those sorts of things were fine," said Coker, who has lost two consecutive games for the third time in his six seasons at Miami. "But you have a dropped snap on a shotgun snap, a bad snap by the center, you have a fumbled exchange with a quarterback and a running back, and you have a dropped pass. You can make all the [halftime] adjustments you want, but you've got to execute those things. I think offensively, with some young players, we are thinking too much. Let's go play. Let's go play and be aggressive and don't think too much about the next play. We've got to play in the moment."

Those mistakes are the price paid for playing in a new offensive scheme for the first time against a team as quick as any the Hurricanes will see all season. Coker reminded everyone that, as painful as the loss might have been, it is still only one loss.

2. FSU-Miami II: Has Labor Day night sucked all the fun out of the rivalry?
Once upon a time, the rivalry between the Seminoles and Hurricanes became the showcase for college football. The teams reached mid-October with one or both of them in the top five or higher. The games surged, momentum shifting from one sideline to the other, until the winner emerged in the final minutes.
Bobby Bowden
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Defenses have dominated since FSU-Miami moved to Labor Day.

Then, in 2004, someone had the bright idea of playing the games on Labor Day night. Florida State coach Bobby Bowden and Miami coach Larry Coker love the national exposure. The loser loved the idea of having all season to make up the ground conceded in the ACC and national championship races.

There's been only one problem: The games have stunk. No, that's not entirely accurate. They have been close. But the quality of play has suffered.

Two years ago, the game wasn't even played on Labor Day night, but, thanks to the arrival of Hurricane Frances, four nights later. Miami prevailed, 16-10, in overtime. Last year, the Seminoles won, 10-7, despite gaining only 170 yards of total offense mostly behind quarterback Drew Weatherford. Florida State sacked Miami quarterback Kyle Wright nine times.

Finally, on Monday night, the teams combined for 17 first downs and 310 yards, including a grand total of three yards rushing, as Florida State held on again, 13-10.

The offensive problems of both teams have been well-chronicled. But offenses do mature as the season goes on. For instance, last season, Miami won at Virginia Tech 27-7. Florida State upset the Hokies 27-22 in the ACC Championship Game.

On Monday night, the Hurricanes introduced their new two-tight-end offense, and the running game appeared to sorely miss a fullback. Florida State had only four offensive starters who started against Miami a year ago.

It sounds as if I'm suggesting that the Miami and Florida State should move off the first weekend so that they can each schedule a tune-up the way that many of their I-A brethren do. That's not my motivation. But it's plain to see that the experiment of moving this rivalry to Labor Day night has left the rivalry a shell of what it used to be.

One thing is certain. The two teams won't play on Labor Day 2007. Miami has a contract for a game at Oklahoma on the following Saturday. If the Hurricanes kept the Florida State game on Labor Day night, they would arrive home from Tallahassee in the wee hours Tuesday, and three days later have to travel to Norman.

The Miami-Florida State game has moved to Oct. 6. Florida State athletic director Dave Hart told several reporters Monday night that the Seminoles want to keep the Labor Day slot, which belongs to the ACC in its contract with ESPN and ABC. The likely opponent is Boston College or Clemson.

3. What was Lew Perkins thinking?
Kansas athletic director Lew Perkins announced the other day that the university had torn up head coach Mark Mangino's contract, which expired after the 2008 season, to give him a new five-year deal that will pay Mangino $7.5 million.

Mark Mangino, who has gone 19-29 in four seasons, will make $1.5 million per year. Mangino, who has yet to have a winning season in the Big 12 North -- which ain't exactly the NFC East -- got a 150 percent raise over the $600,000 annual salary in the contract that Perkins tore up.

"We had a good coach," Perkins said. "We're moving in the right direction."
Mark Mangino
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Kansas gave Mark Mangino a nice raise.

Perkins is not riding in his first rodeo. He is regarded as one of best athletic directors in the country. He ran the ship at UConn as Jim Calhoun and Geno Auriemma built it into men's and women's basketball powers, and he had the foresight and the backbone to take the Huskies I-A in football.

But $1.5 million?

"That put Mark fifth [in salary] in the Big 12," Perkins said. "He went from last to fifth. He's tied for fifth with the guy at Nebraska (Bill Callahan). We were comfortable with that. We thought that was fair. The expectations are bigger and stronger now."

It is true that Mangino has raised the bar higher than where he found it. You could have stepped over it before he arrived.

"He has been here four years," Perkins said. "We've gone to two bowls. We won our bowl last year [42-13, over Houston, in the Fort Worth Bowl] … We just wanted to send a message that football is important at this university. The things that they haven't had here are continuity and stability."

Perkins wanted to send a message that Mangino is his guy. That's noteworthy, if only because Mangino took the job the year before Perkins arrived in Lawrence. The popular wisdom is that an athletic director is quicker to fire a coach he didn't hire. Perkins called that wisdom "overrated."

OK, OK.

But $1.5 million?

Perkins came up as a basketball coach. In 1979, his last year before he moved into athletic administration, Perkins coached the South Carolina-Aiken men's basketball team. He thinks he made about $19,000. Now, Perkins is paying his football coach about 79 times his last coaching salary.

"I'm like everybody else," Perkins said. "It's what the market value brings. Do I agree with it? Probably not. It's nuts. But if we are going to compete in the league we're in and run a program at this level, you have to take a deep breath and do what you have to do or you're going to lose him. You lose a guy that you didn't pay an extra $200,000 or $300,000, then it's $1-million-plus to change coaches."

Perkins is right. Pay the coaches on the old staff, pay salaries to lure new coaches, pay moving expenses, pay for the changes the new coach wants …

"He was making $600,000," Perkins said. "A lot of I-AA coaches are making that. We wanted to show him he was important to us. We're not going to have the lowest-paid coach in the conference. If we're going to compete and help our coaches to compete, we have to give them everything we can."