SportsNation Blog Archives Roy Halladay
Unlike the increasingly heated AL Cy Young debate, the NL MVP seems like a bit of a foregone conclusion. Albert Pujols is doing what he usually does, but the Cardinals aren't going to the postseason. The Rockies made a run, but without a playoff berth, neither Carlos Gonzalez nor Troy Tulowitzki appear likely to pick up enough votes. Joey Votto, on the other hand, ranks second in batting average and third in home runs and RBIs for a team going to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. That's what we call an MVP resume.
But what about Roy Halladay?
The Phillies ace is close to a lock for NL Cy Young, but does he belong in the MVP debate? No National League pitcher has won the award since Bob Gibson in 1968, but five AL pitchers won MVP more recently than that. So has Votto really created more wins for his team than Halladay has for his?
Should Halladay get some MVP consideration? He is the best player on the best team in the NL
The MVP has unofficially been redefined to exclude starting pitchers who don't win 25 games, and of course nobody wins 25 games anymore. Based purely on wins and losses and impact on pennant races, Halladay is obviously a wonderful candidate. And he won't finish in the top 5. Full transcript
Hi Jerry, i've had the pleasure of watching Roy Halladay pitch from day one and to see him get the recongition and accolades he deserves is great. However, what he has done this year doesn't come as a surprise to those of us who followed him his whole career. He has preformed this well year in and year out but while he was in Toronto it seemed like he always took the back seat to other pitchers ie. Johan Santana. Do you think the fact that he played in Toronto is the reason he didn't get all the fanfare that he's getting now?
Derek, Part of it was playing in Toronto, and part of it is his media-shyness. Halladay is a good guy, but he's so busy watching video, lifting weights, doing stretching and cardio and all the other stuff he needs to prepare, he's almost invisible in the clubhouse. He doesn't reveal a whole lot of himself for public consumption. That's never been a priority for him, and it never will be. Full transcript
It's official: Roy Oswalt will no longer have to try to win games with a team that's putting up a .299 OBP. Oswalt waived his no-trade clause, clearing the way for him to join the Philadelphia Phillies (currently in a knockdown, drag-out pennant race).
Oswalt's been one of the finest pitchers in the majors for much of his career, although he's rarely gotten the attention he deserves. Recent years have dragged on Oswalt's winning percentage -- his 12 losses this season actually lead the league -- but he still gives up few hits and keeps the ball in the park. He's joining Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels in the rotation, giving the Phillies an intimidating trio of aces (especially in a short playoff series). Could he be the missing piece Philadelphia needs to make the playoffs?
He signed his deal when things were good and as soon as things start going bad he wants out. Typical athlete. I don't blame the Astros for trading him, rebuilding has been a long time coming for that team, but I love when guys sign a deal and when things start to go bad they want out.” -- brewerfan54
We are only 3.5 out with Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Happ and Polanco all out for parts of this year. That's 4 starters, all of whom are former all-stars, and the rookie-of-the-year runner up and our No. 3 starter. So yeah the Phillies of the first half are not the team that went to back to back WS. But by the end of August, everyone will be healthy and now we have the best front three in baseball. Phils-Yanks again in the series, sorry but there is no debate that the Phils are tops in the NL talentwise and with Oswalt and health, goodnight and thanks for trying Atlanta. I will miss Happ, but you can't pass on one of the best pitchers in the game.” -- cjmfour
Hall of Famer Old Hoss Radbourn led the National League with 73 complete games in 1884 and finished 489 of the 503 games he started over 11 pitching seasons with Providence, Boston and Cincinnati. Helpfully, though he left us in 1897, he's also mastered the art of tweeting from beyond the grave, including this as a heat wave took its toll on pitchers over the holiday weekend.
That was before Phillies ace Roy Halladay went the distance against the Braves, allowing just five hits en route to win No. 10 on the season. The win total leaves him four behind Ubaldo Jimenez, but no pitcher in baseball is in Halladay's class with seven complete games. In fact, only one team has more complete games than Halladay -- the Mariners.
So when sizing up the Cy Young race, are Halladay's complete games more impressive than Jimenez's wins?
excluding Jimenez, do you see Josh Johnson as the next best for the NL cy young?
It's a star-studded field in the NL. So by the end of the season, we might have eight pitchers in this argument. But as of this particular moment, yes. What a year he's had. Full transcript
We're on record as considering Pedro Martinez's 2000 season as perhaps the finest pitching performance of all time. Consider: In the midst of the steroid era, in the AL East, in a hitter's park, Martinez put up a 1.74 earned run average. That's good for a 285 ERA+, meaning he was almost three times as good as the league-average ERA. Pretty crazy, right?
It's early yet, but Ubaldo Jimenez might have a chance to better that mark. Jimenez gave up two runs Sunday, which means his ERA soared to a magisterial 0.93. That's good for an ERA+ of 484, which means he's almost five times better than the league average. All this in Coors Field in a division that has a number of good hitters. (Adrian Gonzalez, Manny Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval can put a pretty quick dent in a pitcher's ERA, don't you think?) Ubaldo (we think we can refer to him by his first name, considering the last Ubaldo in the majors was Ubaldo Heredia in 1987) throws a 100 mph fastball that seems to move about three feet, which would make him a rather good pitcher if that were the only pitch he had. Unfortunately for National League hitters, he has about five more.
Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA, achieved during the so-called "Year of the Pitcher" (1968, when only six players hit better than .300), is the modern record low for a starter. Could Ubaldo challenge that mark? He certainly has a head start.
Marty (Stratford, CT)
Did analysts see Ubaldo Jimenez's mad skills as he came through the minor league system, or has this year come as a surprise to you guys?
There's been a buzz about Jimenez for years. What's propelled him to this level this year is that he's finally commanding his whole repertoire, and especially his fastball. Lots of fun Ubaldo talk in this week's Rumblings and Grumblings, by the way. Full transcript
Halladay vs. Jimenez? Halladay has a much lower xFIP.
I still believe Halladay is the best pitcher in the National League. But there's certainly an argument here. Full transcript
It took a guy flirting with a perfect game, Toronto's Brett Cecil, to prevent Ubaldo Jimenez from laying undisputed claim to Monday's best pitching line -- and Jimenez's ERA still went up after he allowed one earned run in seven innings against the Padres. After six starts, Jimenez isn't just sharing the stage with two-time defending Cy Young champ Tim Lincecum and high-profile import Roy Halladay -- he's upstaging them.
On the flip side, Monday's game marked the third time in four games that Jimenez has thrown at least 120 pitches, and the fourth time in five games he reached at least 115. So putting aside Tim Tebow, is Jimenez's arm the one Denver fans should worry about? Vote!
Coug (SS Universe)
Lincecum or Wainwright?
Coug, For what it's worth, I picked Adam Wainwright as my NL Cy Young this year (over Roy Halladay, believe it or not). The guy is a horse. Full transcript
Hamels seem to be struggling alot early on in the season. He's making the same mistakes he was last year and he's getting hit just like he was last year. Is it his head or did the 2008 season blow his arm out?
Blow his arm out? There are only a handful of pitchers in the whole sport who have gotten a higher percentage of swings and misses than he has this year. He's gotten more than Ubaldo Jimenez, more than Felix Hernandez. So his stuff is still great. It's how he's used it that's been the problem. He's still fiddling with how to incorporate the cutter and curve ball. So get back to me in two months on this. Full transcript