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Jamie Moyer has become the oldest pitcher ever to record a win in Major League Baseball. Will he still pitch when he's 50 next season?

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Contrary to legend, Jamie Moyer was not a small lad watching from the crowd in Cooperstown when the first Hall of Fame class was enshrined in 1939. But thanks to longevity bordering on Methuselah territory, Moyer might yet earn his own invitation to baseball immortality.

At 47 years, 210 days old, Moyer became the oldest pitcher ever to beat the Yankees with Wednesday's win. With victory No. 265 of a career that began when he was drafted in 1984 -- four years before Stephen Strasburg was born -- he also moved into a tie with Jim McCormick for No. 38 on the all-time wins list. In the history of baseball, only nine lefty pitchers have more wins than Moyer, and that list will shrink to eight with his next win.

So how about it? Moyer's career ERA is a pedestrian 4.23, but is he building a case for Cooperstown on sheer longevity?

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At least if Pedro Martinez struggles in his initial starts with the Phillies, he's playing for a fan base famous for its patience and empathy. Yes, this should end well.

There was a time when SportsNation would have taken Martinez over just about any pitcher who ever lived. Asked to pick a starter for an all-time AL All-Star team earlier this season, voters picked Martinez of 2000 vintage ahead of the best of Roger Clemens, Lefty Grove, Jim Palmer and Johan Santana. Of course, there was also a time when a majority of people thought Tracy McGrady was a better leader than Kobe Bryant.

As Martinez makes his Phillies debut against the Cubs Wednesday night, he can't even earn enough popular support to merit his spot in the rotation. And considering SportsNation already thinks he's a borderline, at best, first-ballot Hall of Fame candidate, the next few weeks could make those memories of his best years fade away.

uwhusky2

Moyer's ERA and winning percentage are much better in the last month or so. In fact, during July, when the Phillies turned it around, Moyer was 4-1 with a 3.30 ERA. He also won 5 straight starts during June and July. I think any team would want that.

-- UWhusky2
Carol Vessey

Nobody really knows whether Pedro will be effective. Smoltz and Glavine were both effective in their minor league outings but were unable to make it back in the bigs. Give Pedro a few starts and if he doesn't perform no harm done. Moyer has done nothing this year so there is little to be lost by replacing him in the rotation. If Pedro pitches well keep running him out there, if not Moyer is ready to step back in.

-- Carol Vessey
nao888

Well [Moyer] has been an starting pitcher for the last 25 years, so of coarse he is gonna feel negative about being put in the pen, the guy deserves better respect after what he did for them last year. We still love you Jamie here in seattle and we hope you come back next year strong as before.

-- nao888

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In a past life, Pedro Martinez was perhaps the most dominant pitcher to have ever played the game. He struck out double-digit batters on a regular basis. He made exceptional hitters look confused and silly. The numbers he put up (in the middle of the so-called "Steroid Era," no less) seem like statistical outliers when compared to his peers.

It's a little sad, then, to see a good outing by Pedro in Double-A praised as indicative that he "still has it." For sure, he may well indeed still be able to get major league batters out -- after all, Jamie Moyer is still doing it -- but there's also the danger of Pedro appearing as an old Willie Mays with the Mets, unable to run down fly balls and letting grounders skip through his legs. That being said, Pedro could be a force out of the bullpen, but it still could be a sad end to one of baseball's greatest pitching careers.

Unfortunately, SportsNation isn't confident that Pedro has anything left in the tank. We'll soon see if he'll be able to prove his doubters wrong.
althemarinerfan

Hooray. Thank you Ruben. Sad to say this about Moyer, but he should be the one to go to the pen.

-- althemarinerfan
andrewc2189

So how about we keep Moyer to make every start against the Marlins... 6 man rotation? Look, it may keep from hurting feelings, but that takes starts away from the other 4 Phillie pitchers and that just doesn't make sense.

-- andrewc2189

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Ryan Howard broke a power-hitting record that withstood the worst of an era of bloated power numbers. Jamie Moyer continued a run of longevity that would put Larry King to shame. And Phillies fans just wondered when Roy Halladay would show up.

All right, so we're sure more than a few of the Philadelphia faithful savored a pair of historically significant performances against the Marlins, but talk of Halladay does seem to dominate the moment. Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Bill Conlin waxes rhapsodic about Toronto's neighborhoods and Sam Donnellon wonders what impact adding Pedro Martinez will have on potential Halladay trade talks.

Then again, SportsNation doesn't think much of the Phillies' chances of winning the NL without Halladay. But add the ace to the mix, and it's a very different story.

As for Thursday night, Moyer became the oldest pitcher to go seven innings and allow one or fewer hits. That gives him 255 career wins, good enough for voters to put him in the discussion for Cooperstown (although the 4.22 career ERA isn't going to help). Howard hit career home run No. 200, passing Ralph Kiner, who he didn't know much about, as the fastest to the plateau.

puckettfan617

As a Yankee fan I hate to do this, but I'm gonna agree with the Red Sox fans on this board: Youk's better than Howard. Youk's got 80 points on Howard in OBP and is even beating him out in slugging, despite Howard's significant advantage in homers (22 to 16). He also plays a stellar first base, whereas Howard would be better suited as a DH except that he plays in the NL.

-- puckettfan617
chubs314

Ryan Howard is a great player and proof that not all athletes are knuckleheads we need more guys like him and Pujols in sports.

-- chubs314

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